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Hearing the facts on Measures 49 and 50

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Submitted by Jenni on October 7, 2007 - 11:09am.

State Rep. Greg Macpherson... from the Summit - Day 3, breakfast

We're working our way through the last day at the Summit. Right now we're sitting in a beakout session on armchair activism, which includes blogs, Youtube, MySpace, Facebook etc.

This morning we heard from state legislators on Measures 49 and 50. Later today we'll hear from candidates for the U.S. Senate Steve Novick and Jeff Merkley.

Representative Greg Macpherson began the talk on the ballot measures, going over some of the claims that are already in the works, and the truth behind the lies that opponents have been pushing in advertising, literature, etc.

In his discussion on the claims, he compared M37 to Little Red Riding Hood. Oh what big eyes you have. Oh what big teeth you have...

There are over 7,500 claims in Oregon, from billboards to strip malls, to mines, to huge subdivisions.

In Klamath County, which already has water shortage problems, there are three claims for a total of 24,000 homes.

In Cannon Beach there is a claim for a hotel that would block public access to the beach.

In Washington County, the claims would double the size of the county's urbanized areas.

Several lies have been pushed by the measure's opponents, which Macpherson debunked. They include:

No public hearings - they actually had nine hearings in the Fairness Committee, in which they heard 369 testimonials from the public.

The process was done in secret without any ability for changes - it actually went through three rounds of amendments

Macpherson said if this measure fails, changes to M37 will be closed down for at least a decade.

State Rep Brian ClemNext, State Representative Brian Clem spoke on agriculture and M49.

He said this measure has been an opportunity for Democrats to be able to build a coalition with farm communities. After all, conflicting use in agricultural areas is not good.

There have long been stories about informal and formal conflicts where agricultural use meets residential use. Examples include irrigation being turned off at night because of it being too loud.

Clem gave a personal story about a neighbor complaining because his tractor was too loud and was kicking up too much dust.

He said that Marion County is especially affected by agriculture meeting M37. There is already areas with severe water shortages in the county. A claim that was approved for 40 homes has already run neighboring wells dry after only two houses being built.

In the upper Hood river valley, there are already claims on about half the orchard land in the area. This is a big issue, because not only would condos and homes in the middle of orchard land cause huge conflicts, but it also heavily affects the growers co-op the famers all participate in. These claims being approved would mean the failure of the remaining farms because the co-op would no longer be large enough to survive.

M49 is supported by farmers and farm organizations, as evidenced by the "Yes on 49" signs along the way to the Summit that were often found in agricultural fields.

The Farm Bureau, for instance, was neutral on M37, but voted 15-2 to support M49.

State Senator Ben WestlundNext, State Senator Ben Westlund spoke on M50, the Healthy Kids initiative.

He said that cigarettes are the most deadly drug out there. Illicit drugs kill 19,000 people per year. Alcohol kills 80,000 people. Tobacco, however, kills 400,000.

Every pack of cigarettes sold costs society more than $11 per pack, according to the CDC. $5.50 of that is in lost wages and productivity. More than $5.50 is in direct medical costs.

If M50 passes, the taxes on a pack of cigarettes will be a little over $2, which means taxpayers still subsidize smokers by $3+ a pack.

The biggest claim that opponents bring up about the measure is that 70% of the money doesn't go to kids. Technically, this is true the first year, said Westlund.

Ten percent of the money goes to tobacco use reduction.

Some funds are used to bring approximately 15,000 of the 70,000+ adults kicked off the Oregon Health Plan because of a lack of funds.

The remaining money not immediately spent on kids is placed into a savings account. This is because it will take approximately a year to get all the kids on the system. In the meantime, the funds will be in a savings account.

As to the stability of the income, Westlund said that the tobacco tax is one of the most stable revenue sources in the entire state. It's like the Rock of Gibraltar, he said.

It's critical we pass this measure, he said, and it's not just because of the money. One of the biggest blocks to kids starting to smoke is the cost of the cigarettes. The more expensive they get, the fewer kids will ever start smoking.

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Amend constitution?

Submitted by Jim (not verified) on October 7, 2007 - 8:09pm.
I like measure 50 in concept, but I've heard it would involve amending the Oregon Constitution...is that true? That seems strange to me...
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It's true

Submitted by sysadmin on October 8, 2007 - 7:15pm.
The legislature needed 36 votes to send an item to the voters that wouldn't have put it in the Constitution. Putting it in the Constitution takes only a majority (31). Jenni Simonis
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Measure 50

Submitted by DWP (not verified) on October 15, 2007 - 5:26pm.
This (and other measure 50 comments) seem to indicate that our state legislature could not get the votes to pass this tax or to get it on the ballot for the voters to pass? If we can't get legislation passed using the prescribed system that we are governed by, do we really want to start using "end runs" around the system?
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It was the way to get it on

Submitted by sysadmin on October 15, 2007 - 5:48pm.
It was the way to get it on the ballot for the voters to decide on. The Republicans, who receive huge amounts of money from the tobacco industry, refused to allow the voters in this state a chance to vote on it. I think we should be more focused on the Republicans who refused to even give us a chance to vote. Jenni Simonis
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i like measure 50 because it

Submitted by JOSH (not verified) on October 15, 2007 - 11:22am.
I like measure 50 because it imposes a tax on all tobacco products especially cigarettes by $.85. The money that this tax generates will be going to health care for kids in need and it should also help people kick the habit. Its one thing to smoke and harm ones body but now with there being so much undeniable evidence about second hand smoke and the damage it causes to other peoples health. For low income people that smoke and also have kids, this tax should help them stop smoking because its going to come down to whats more important, me smoking or my kids eating or other basic necessities. That should be a no brainer for people.
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M50

Submitted by Guest (not verified) on October 15, 2007 - 7:35pm.
Seems to me that all the comments I have read are somewhat correct. Ammedments are very tricky and not to be tacken lightly. It is better to let the voters decide on taxes then government officials just for the fact that no matter what happens if you vote for or against somthing then you had your say, and majority rules. Period. I for one will be voting in favor of measure 50. I feel that if a person harms their own body and the bodies of the people around them, with no regard for the money I will have to pay for their medical bills later, then the LEAST we could do is increase the tax on the item that is ultimately causing all the harm. Also I don't smoke. I don't want to be around smoke, and would thoroughly enjoy a smoke free, cigarette free world. My vote is yay Measure 50
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I'm facing a difficult decision here...

Submitted by Dan (not verified) on October 17, 2007 - 1:19am.

I've been reading up on both of these measures extensively, and it's hard for me to decide. The last time I was health insured was almost 4 years ago (I'm turning 20).

My immediate family has had personal experience with the shortfalls of the current Oregon Health Plan and other social programs. Amending our state constitution in order to add a tax on a single product, which a minority consumes, who are generally sub-working to lower middle class doesn't seem entirely pragmatic.

It's not that I don't advocate smoking prevention programs or the health and welfare of Oregon's children, it's the ultimate sustainability of the revenue garnered from the product that concerns me.

Higher prices will deter many underage teens from smoking, but it also has the potential to drive legal consumers to purchase their tobacco elsewhere, such as the internet, or neighboring Idaho and California. Also, if the goals of this measure are achieved, won't the base of it's revenue slowly dwindle?

At any rate, the social and health care programs in this state are in dire need of mending, and it would be efficacious to have a larger, more predictable tax base. I would love to hear some input if any are willing.

Sincerely,
Dan, SOU student

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re=-dan

Submitted by Josh (not verified) on October 26, 2007 - 1:27pm.
I agree that if this measure actually passes and is out into use, then eventually the revenue will dwindle down. but the money produced from this bill is a temporary fix that more than likely wont last for more than 10yrs. at most. but being inclined to bring up the future of health care, i believe that by the time that the next president is up for re-election, there will be a national health care coverage program, or hopefully there will be. but the cigarettes that are taxed now will provide essential health care for kids in need as well as help people kick the habit. as for people going to drive all the way to Idaho or California to save money on cigarettes is ridiculous. Some people might do that, but with gas prices again climbing, who is going to drive out of there way to just spend $1. less on cigarettes? not many thats for sure. i mean, come on.
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Measure 50 another lie!

Submitted by KKC (not verified) on October 21, 2007 - 12:28pm.
I am appalled at the lack of conscience of the opinion editor in the Sunday Oregonian 10/14 and the so called 10-member committee who reviewed the pros and cons of Measure 50. I have rarely been so spun on the issues that come up, but this one just takes the cake. I cannot believe the sniveling, crying, whining of this editorial! In agreeing with Measure 50 we are agreeing that we cannot direct money appropriately to child healthcare and will give the government a black check to do whatever with it, but yet we can instead send millions of dollars to help build casinos and spend millions of dollars on so called equal opportunity and millions more on so called education by building new school buildings every 5 years that are bigger and grander and do not serve “functionability.” There is just too much fat in the middle – did anyone know that government is the largest “employer” in the State of Oregon. By voting for Measure 50, we make it a law in our constitution that in future years would require us to make sure that so called child healthcare is paid for and by that taxes be raised. Why?! So we can continue to add laws and taxes on the backs of small business owners and the middle class and tax them right out of living free and in the pursuit of happiness so that the vast gap between rich and poor becomes an even larger chasm and let’s make more people dependant upon the government and its programs so that they forget there was even an America and the reason why it was created - for those people who wanted freedom from constant government supervision and taxation! Small business owners are constantly being held up by bureaucratic red tape under the words of conditional use, the jumping through hoops of having to write up information that has no bearing on the land, area or community because county commissioners don’t know anything about small businesses because they have never had one. It is a communist way of thinking that every other person should be taking care of those who can’t or won’t for themselves. This is not an American sentiment. When did people make the most inventions and discoveries it was when they had to – not because a government was meddling in their personal lives. Our postion should be to not allow any more taxes yet again or changes to our constitution and force government to figure it out – maybe that would also get leaders in the government positions to start cutting the fat and that would not be cutting out the teachers or school programs or the healthcare we currently have. This Measure 50 is yet another way to circumvent the people’s choice of ENOUGH taxes, no more taxes – Measure 50 is a big lie – don’t vote yes!
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50

Submitted by mark alan whitman (not verified) on October 30, 2007 - 6:36am.
The State borrows money to pay the kicker and you assume that they will use a blank check to support kids whom in fact have health care just not state provided health insurance what a broken system
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I intend to vote yes because of this blog

Submitted by Guest (not verified) on November 1, 2007 - 1:38pm.
i intend to vote YES because of this person's blog. What an idiot you are! what is a black check anyway?
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